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Tableless... To do or not to do? Please help me out

Hi all,

I've read a lot about tableless design by now and I think I'm gonna try it. But, and I'm not really sure if I'm in the right forum, if I use PHP without frames (I use an Iframe now) isn't there a problem with the URL? I mean, is it possible to keep just the url of my site in the addressbar instead of http://mysite.com/blaat.php?action=....?
I've always went for the easy way, just use frames. But it's not good for the accessibility of my site. So, if I want to keep my original url in the addressbar, is it possible to use tableless design?

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Yeah, I don't think you can efficiently manage all your content under one URL without using frames. Why does it really matter, though? If it's for the user experience, then you're requiring clicks within your navigation to get around the site anyway, so ugly URLs don't matter. Additionally, by using frames, you're keeping your content pages from always being within context -- what if a content page is googled and linked to without your wrapper frame? It's better in my opinion to skin all pages, drop frames, and not worry so much about the URLs.
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I found this to be handy when trying to consider Search Engine / Spiders...

http://www.webmaster-toolkit.com/se...simulator.shtml

Enter your URL and you'll see all the information a spider would extract... I'm not sure exactly how it handles frames, but I assume it might just skip over the frame... try it out though

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The best way to get Google to spider a framed site is to whack your sitemap in the <noframes> tags - that way it won't get confused.

However, do you really need frames? Your site to me looks like a personal site, and I can't really see why you'd be concerned about the cosmetic's of the URL? Most non-developers never look there while surfing, unless they want to go somewhere else (that is, if they even know how to type in a domain name.)

Also, you can achieve your scrollable content area very simply using DIV's and the overflow: auto; property - it's as simple as that. That way, your site will be much more accessible to search engines, screen readers, and surfers using other browsing devices, such as handhelds.
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