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Old February 2nd, 2004, 08:45 AM
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http://www.computingfuture.co.uk

Hi, I would like to say hi to everyone here at these forums.

I have just launched a new site and could use some tips:
If anyone can spare some time please visit:
http://www.computingfuture.co.uk

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Old February 2nd, 2004, 06:46 PM
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hi....
took a look at the site and have a few quick remarks.
javascript - if you don't need it... don't use it
page counters - they add no value
site navigation - try to remain consistent
text links at the bottom of your pages- search engines may ban you for spamming

the 2 major things to concentrat on would be site continuity (try to make the pages look somewhat similar so visitors aren't haveing to figue out where the content is going to be) and your overuse of javascript. Just because something can be done in javascript doesn't mean it should be done. I should also mention that in one of the iterations of your navigation systems i get over 20 error messages.

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Old February 3rd, 2004, 06:11 PM
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You are using <td> and <tr>, yet you never declare a table.
Your source code is extremely difficult to read, makes debugging hard.
<base> and <link> tags should be contained in the <head> section, not in the body.
You have not specified a DOCTYPE
Do not use images for headings, unless you are going to use CSS image replacement techniques. Using images makes your site less accessible, and harder for Google to index.
There are several <body> tags!?
Validate your CSS - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/...&usermedium=all
Validate you HTML - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...utomatically%29
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Chapdaddy, what's that about text links at the bottom of the page?
I've never heard that one before...

As far as the site goes, the gradiant text images are very 1997-ish
Good use of inconsistant fonts... =)

and as someone mentioned earlier, i find the navigation somewhat difficult... i don't know where i'm supposed to click and navigate to.

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Old February 5th, 2004, 04:30 PM
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Chapdaddy, what's that about text links at the bottom of the page?
I've never heard that one before...


the way they are used in the site looks like it may be considered keyword spamming

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Old February 6th, 2004, 07:31 PM
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Alan,

I have to agree with everyone else here... There are certain elements of the site that do more harm than good. While you're definitely headed in the right direction, I would reconsider some of the elements on the page.

The Java applet is definitely something I would reconsider... While Java is an exceptional language, it's use in Applet's has diminished. Don't get me wrong, I've some some great applets being used in todays applications, but the water effect isn't one of them!

As for the fonts, I would stick to one style of font, and one size as well. The only time you should alternate font size is for different sections of your body (ie: headings).

Keep it up... And I would recommend running your site/pages through the HTML validator while building the site. This way you can correct errors as you develop.
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Old February 6th, 2004, 07:40 PM
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re: Java - IE6 on XP didn't ship with it, and neither does Mozilla... which means many people won't install it.. like me.

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Old February 6th, 2004, 09:27 PM
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re: Java... Hopefully that will change... The fact that Microsoft doesn't include it really bothers me... But that's a whole other discussion!

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re: Java - IE6 on XP didn't ship with it, and neither does Mozilla... which means many people won't install it.. like me.



This may sound dumb but can you please sned me a screen shot of what my site looks like on a non java enabled browser.

Thanks for the comments all.

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Old February 7th, 2004, 08:29 AM
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This may sound dumb but can you please sned me a screen shot of what my site looks like on a non java enabled browser.

Thanks for the comments all.


The java stuff should be the last thing you worry about. Take a look at your code first. It's all over the shop. You cannot have code mixed up amongst the HTML and HEAD, etc tags. Like we've all been saying, you need to run it through a validator.
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Old February 10th, 2004, 11:12 AM
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Hi alansmith

The first few things I noticed about your site is the poorly done graphics. The title "computingFuture.net"(with the white rectangular background) doesn't even look like it belongs in the top reddish banner. The image headings look heavily compressed as well (compression loss). This gives me the impression that your company isn't very good at graphics. This doesn't hold well for a company that designs web sites.

As a client I would expect the company that is designing my site to be an expert in what they do. Therefore you should present your company as such. All the ideas that have already been presented by others such as consistency, coding, limiting the special effects will help present your site and company in a better and more professional manner.

So, try to stick to a consistent layout and colour scheme, with a consistent navigation, work on some of those graphics and eliminate all the extra effects that have no value to your site (avoid the cheese).

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> As a client I would expect the company that is designing my site to be an expert in what they do.

I realize I posted yesturday with some suggestions, but this has been on my mind all day... I still stand by my anti-gradient text...

I'd also like to mention the idea of table-less design... let CSS and XHTML be your friend... as a developer, its best to embrace new technology early... letting clients know you design sites which are accessable to those who use various browsers or special text reading software [such as those for the hard-of-seeing]

I also strongly disagree with your use of Java Applets... as pointed out in an earlier post, they're unnecessary and only add to the loading time of the page... at a different computer I some-how managed to get a side bar navigation to slide out, but I can't seem to replicate that here... Either an inconsistancy, or something you took out... either way I was going to complain about it =)

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Looks better now, I see you have tried to use CSS and XHTML. But, still tables? Why?
And a <link>-tag also has to be closed. So <link foo.... />. It's improving, but still not perfect...
Another thing I noticed: Why declare font and color in your body and table tags? You use a stylesheet, so use it to the fullest!
Keep up the good work, you're almost there.

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Old April 6th, 2004, 06:54 AM
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I would like to thank everyone for their comments.


The site has now been redesigned with your concerns and opinions in mind. Please can I have a new review.

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From a design point of view - the colours don't gel. The palette isn't really consistent. I think the culprit is the logo - it looks really out of place because of it's clashing colours with the rest of the page.

The page is too long. Break up the page into new, smaller pages using logical blocks.

The main nav buttons look stretched (height-wise) - are they really supposed to be that high?

You have many lists of links - these should be marked-up using correct, semantic code, that is, using lists (ul/li).

That oughta do you for now!

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