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Old October 28th, 2002, 04:54 PM
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Depreciated <table> tag?

Recently we were told at uni that the <table> tag in the latest w3 standard specification has been depreciated. is this true?

I have looked on the web for details but can't find it, we have been told to build web sites with style sheets and without the use of the <table> tag.

Any help would be great.

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Old October 28th, 2002, 05:34 PM
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i would think not
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Old October 28th, 2002, 06:11 PM
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I seriously doubt they'll remove the table tag..

The table tag wasn't really meant for changing the looks/layout of a website.. it was simply meant to show tabular data.. that's why I think it'll stay

some of it's attributes, however, has been deprecated to encourage the use of stylesheets
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Old October 28th, 2002, 08:02 PM
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No offence, but your uni is full of morons. Based on what your said, they want you to use layers. but there is a still many bugs with layers. also layers that work on IE wont work on NS.

Therefore i concluded that you tell your uni that they are dumb. Without tables, we would be going back to old skool style, with center aligns and funky backgrounds. seriously i dont know how they can say that there wont be table tags lol. Whats next databases that dont store data?

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Old October 29th, 2002, 06:45 AM
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No, I agree, I have never heard of it.

Although admittedly we are building for browsers above version 4, I still have not read anywhere that the <table> tag has been depreciated.

Though I may have missed something.

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Old October 29th, 2002, 05:45 PM
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The only element is says is depreciated is the align element

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Old November 1st, 2002, 03:00 PM
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Are you sure they didn't mean designing site without the use of tables, as opposed to saying it's a deprecated tag?

I've seen sites designed without tables, and was quite impressed.
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Old November 1st, 2002, 03:25 PM
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Are you sure they didn't mean designing site without the use of tables, as opposed to saying it's a deprecated tag?

I've seen sites designed without tables, and was quite impressed.


Yup.. I've made a design only using <div>'s and css Pretty cool.. too bad it looks like total **** in NS4.79

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Old November 2nd, 2002, 12:08 PM
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Yup.. I've made a design only using <div>'s and css Pretty cool.. too bad it looks like total **** in NS4.79


... There are ways around that, but some have chosen to ignore NS4.x completely. The only downside to addressing those browsers with CSS, is that the sides look like they used to back in the day... ugly!

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Old November 3rd, 2002, 06:51 AM
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lets just get rid of netscape, it causes to many headaches when developing.

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Old November 7th, 2002, 08:20 AM
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Well Wired.com (pretty damn big site) has switched to a completely XHTML compliant and tableless design.

The site isn't pretty, but totally usable in NS 4.7

Guess they figured that any morons still using NS 4.7 are used to seeing sites not displaying properly for them anyway.

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Old November 7th, 2002, 06:43 PM
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wow, how do you make a site like that without tables

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Old November 7th, 2002, 07:48 PM
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Go to wired.com and see for yourself.

Basically you have <div> tags that defines blocks of content, and you use CSS to alter the style of it, most of the CSS is CSS2, that's the main reason why NS4 doesn't show it properly.

This way, not only does it make it way easier to change the style of the site, the size decreases as well 'cos you don't have heaps of <tr> <td> thoughout the source.

I'll see if I can find some links to articles when I get home.

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Old November 8th, 2002, 12:47 AM
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tables are still the best and most effective way to create a site. while layers are good, i feel that they are not compatiable enought to use atm. If everyone on bloody netscape would at least upgrade to the latest version, then i would concider using them, but people on older browsers still cause problems,

errrr

damm, everyone upgrade to IE6 eheh, would make HTML alot easier.

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Old November 8th, 2002, 01:08 AM
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lets just get rid of netscape, it causes to many headaches when developing.

Hu? Hey, I am no Netscape fan neither, but developing just for a browser that is not within w3 standards (IE) is a waste of time in my own opinion and a burden amongst developers across the internet. Any site developed within standards should have minimal problems accross many many browsers...
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Old November 8th, 2002, 01:25 AM
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IE is pretty standard compliant, in the sense that if you make your site W3C valid, there's pretty good chance it's gonna show up the way you want it to in IE (and Mozilla), it's when you use IE specific stuff (colour scroll bar just as an example) that screws up other browsers, but that's obvious.

But for NS4, you can have an XHTML and CSS compliant site, and NS will not show it properly, especially the CSS stuff.

Oh, and here's the thing about the redesign of wired.com

http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsou...ired-interview/

I can't seem to locate the pages that taught how to create tableless sites.

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Old November 16th, 2002, 03:23 PM
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Talking Death to tables...Long live tables!

<table></table> for layout = BAD!!!

<table></table> for tabular data, ie. site stats = GOOD!!!
Just make sure you include caption and header information for the disabled surfers.

I've been designing in XHTML Strict with CSS2 for several months now. It's much easier to maintain and reduces the datasize of pages considerably!

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Old November 17th, 2002, 03:18 AM
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Brother are thee nuts,

No tables !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every decent looking site uses tables and lots of them too. Well i'll admit that the main reason is because of the netscape turtles.

A site without tables, cant look good, the commercial side of the internet is mostly about appeal. Now when you remove that which is the single most effective t