Web Development
 
Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
 
User Name:
Password:
Remember me
Iron Speed
 
Go Back   Dev Articles Community ForumsWeb DesignWeb Development
View Poll Results: Your opinion:
Single language homepage with link to other language 1 50.00%
Two column, two language homepage 1 50.00%
Other 0 0%
Voters: 2. You may not vote on this poll


Reply
Add This Thread To:
  Del.icio.us   Digg   Google   Spurl   Blink   Furl   Simpy   Y! MyWeb 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Unread Dev Articles Community Forums Sponsor:
Free Web 2.0 Code Generator! Generate data entry and reporting .NET Web apps in minutes. Quickly create visually stunning, feature-rich apps that are easy to customize and ready to deploy. Download Now!
  #1  
Old December 2nd, 2003, 10:04 AM
Celal Celal is offline
Registered User
Dev Articles Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Turkey
Posts: 12 Celal User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Question Language selection on home page vs single language with link to the other -- opinions

I would appreciate any opinions on this.

I am building a site for my company which deals in foreign trade consultancy in Turkey. The aim of the site is:

1. to provide visitors (mainly foreign) demands and supplies of our clients,
2. to provide demands and offers of our overseas associates to both Turkish and foreign visitors,
3. to introduce our services to mainly Turkish companies

That said, the target audience is both Turkish (especially SME's who have difficulties in language and access to foreign markets) and other nationals engaged in foreign trade. Obviously the site will be on both languages depending on users choice.

My dilemma is, whether I should make a home page with two columns, one in English and one in Turkish and have the user to make their choice of language on the home page, or to have the home page in one single language (English would be my choice considering SEO) with a link to the other.

Some pros and cons I can think of (I'm not sure of any of them):

- Having introductory text in two languages on home page can distract the first time visitor and also limit the home page navigation to only two links to the main pages of the desired language (of course unles I overcrowd the page with links to content pages of both languages).
- Having two languages on home page could (I'm not sure) rank my page in search engines when searched in Turkish
- With two languages on home page, I have an opportunity to grab user browser and window size details via javascript and whether or not javasript is enabled as the page uses a form and these can be passed to the next page to evaluate them (I'm coding in classic ASP).
- Having an English home page with all links to English content and a link as "Turkish" could pose a negative impact on my Turkish clients.
- Having an English home page with links to the content of the site (which I cannot give with the two column choice) would enable search engine spiders to go deep in site.
- Having a single language page strictly defines your audience. I've been to such sites, Russian or Chinese on home page and went back without searching for the link for English.

These are my pros and cons. I'd love to hear your thoughts -- from the useability and IA pros, but especially from novoices

Many thanks in advance.

Celal
cozt@nova-trade.com

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old December 2nd, 2003, 12:19 PM
MadCowDzz's Avatar
MadCowDzz MadCowDzz is offline
I'm Internet Famous
Dev Articles Frequenter (2500 - 2999 posts)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,890 MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Week 16 h 4 m 48 sec
Reputation Power: 8
Its common to see an intro page (like a splash page) with language selection... generally two columns with either side printed in the language desired...

So long as you don't mind totally reproducing the site in either language, I think this is the least distracting for someone who doesn't understand the other language.

I know if I visit a site and the first thing I see is a paragraph written in a language I can't read, I'll press the back button and find another site; I'll assume I can't read the whole site, and thus stop reading.

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old December 4th, 2003, 09:21 AM
Celal Celal is offline
Registered User
Dev Articles Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Turkey
Posts: 12 Celal User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 0
Many thanks for your feedback. What would you think about the search engine behaviour on such a home page with two languages?

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old February 5th, 2004, 05:32 PM
theo theo is offline
Super Duper Admin Guy
Dev Articles Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hollywood, FL
Posts: 6 theo User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 0
dual language dilemma

I have to say that I strongly believe that you should not have two columns in different languages. I'm thinking of Jakob Nielsen's book Don't Make Me Think! In it he emphasizes over and over that you must not burden the end users eye. Think how distracting it would be to have two columns, not knowing what the one meant. For a while you might try to compare the words to see what each word looked like in the other language, but in the end you would realize that half the space on the page was wasted. Thanks for your consideration! theo

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old February 5th, 2004, 06:33 PM
MadCowDzz's Avatar
MadCowDzz MadCowDzz is offline
I'm Internet Famous
Dev Articles Frequenter (2500 - 2999 posts)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,890 MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Week 16 h 4 m 48 sec
Reputation Power: 8
in regards to the search engine behaviour...
are you referring to Google's translator?

I just noticed the Developer Shed network (Devarticles included) now supports automatic page translation...

My one concern is, if you're going to offer your information in many languages, you should be willing to offer support in many languages... for example, if you're operating a retail website in spanish, german, and english... but everyone on your staff only speaks/reads/types english... multiple languages are a waste...

theo, just to clarify what I originally meant by two columns... I think the intro splash page should offer the choice of either one language OR the other... i mis-used the word columns... I couldn't agree more with the fact that no one should be reading a page which on one side has on language, and the other side a different language.

[after reading my original post, i realize what i said]

when you say homepage, I consider splash page... similar to http://www.guanoapes.com/ (a band's homepage)

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old February 7th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Celal Celal is offline
Registered User
Dev Articles Newbie (0 - 499 posts)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Turkey
Posts: 12 Celal User rank is Just a Lowly Private (1 - 20 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: < 1 sec
Reputation Power: 0
To theo: That was my major concern -- about distracting visitors attention and wasting space. Maybe very short 1 or 2 sentences intro in 2 languages and selection of language would be enough. Also, my question only refers to index page - not all pages of the site. Thanks for the addition.

To MadCowDZZ: The site is only in two languages: Turkish and English. Turkish section for local users and English for others.

What I meant by search engine behavior was if the ranking would be better on home page than deeper pages. I wouldn't think so...

Thanks again for the feedback

Celal

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old February 9th, 2004, 08:20 PM
MadCowDzz's Avatar
MadCowDzz MadCowDzz is offline
I'm Internet Famous
Dev Articles Frequenter (2500 - 2999 posts)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,890 MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level)MadCowDzz User rank is Lance Corporal (50 - 100 Reputation Level) 
Time spent in forums: 1 Week 16 h 4 m 48 sec
Reputation Power: 8
oohhh... of course... Search engine behaviour
Sorry, I should have realized that =)

Many search engines spider the entire site, so I guess if you have the bulk of your information on the second page it wouldn't matter as much... Search Engine Optimization isn't my strongpoint... but perhaps if you were to visit www.seochat.com (a DevShed network member), you could find some information there...

Reply With Quote
Reply

Viewing: Dev Articles Community ForumsWeb DesignWeb Development > Language selection on home page vs single language with link to the other -- opinions


Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes  Rate This Thread 
Rate This Thread:


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
View Your Warnings | New Posts | Latest News | Latest Threads | Shoutbox
Forum Jump

 Free IT White Papers!
 
Accelerating Trading Partner Performance
One in five. That's how many partner transactions have at least one error. That is an amazing statistic, particularly given the extraordinary leaps in innovation across the global supply chain during the past two decades. Download this white paper to learn more.

 
Competing on Analytics
This Tech Analysis is designed to help identify characteristics shared by analytics competitors, and includes information about 32 organizations that have made a commitment to quantitative, fact-based analysis.

 
Cost Effective Scaling with Virtualization and Coyote Point Systems
An overview of the industry trend toward virtualization, how server consolidation has increased the importance of application uptime and the steps being taken to integrate load balancing technology with virtualized servers.

 
Five Checkpoints to Implementing IP Telephony
Implementation planning for IP PBX software and IP telephony has become vital as businesses replace discontinued legacy PBX phone systems. This informative whitepaper outlines five &quot;checkpoints&quot; for any implementation plan that will help make IP communications a successful proposition.

 
Hosted Email Security: Staying Ahead of New Threats
In the last two years, email has become a fierce battleground between the nefarious forces of spam and malware, and the heroes of messaging protection. The spam volumes increased alarmingly every month, bringing clever new forms of phishing and virus propagation attacks.

 

Forums: » Register « |  User CP |  Games |  Calendar |  Members |  FAQs |  Sitemap |  Support | 
  
 

Iron Speed




© 2003-2008 by Developer Shed. All rights reserved. DS Cluster 2 hosted by Hostway